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		<title>By: robin hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.oldtakkiesindaba.com/2009/09/10/a-painless-past-a-confusing-present/comment-page-1/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>robin hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great article Charlie. I really appreciate the pragmatic manner in which you look at things. A truly rare talent that you wield deftly and with consumate skill. Very nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great article Charlie. I really appreciate the pragmatic manner in which you look at things. A truly rare talent that you wield deftly and with consumate skill. Very nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Charlie</title>
		<link>http://www.oldtakkiesindaba.com/2009/09/10/a-painless-past-a-confusing-present/comment-page-1/#comment-999</link>
		<dc:creator>Good Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-997&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Diva  &lt;/a&gt; 

That story really made me furious! What business did that &quot;third party&quot; have in getting involved?

It was none of his business. I fear that we will see more, not less of racist vigilantism in the future...
.-= Good Charlie´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ministryofinternalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/with-regards-to-the-judicious-application-of-the-race-card/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;With Regards to the Judicious Application of the Race Card&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-997" rel="nofollow">@Diva  </a> </p>
<p>That story really made me furious! What business did that &#8220;third party&#8221; have in getting involved?</p>
<p>It was none of his business. I fear that we will see more, not less of racist vigilantism in the future&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this story on News24: http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/7a20ae20ee814b7d87b43c2ed2126f06/22-09-2009-09-03/Boy_stabbed_over_racist_hello and was immediately reminded of this post of Charlie&#039;s.

I wonder how anyone could think that this sort of reaction to a (perceived) racist slight is acceptable? They were not even involved in the (perceived) racist event, but overheard it and decided that it was ok to stick their noses (amongst other things) in. 
Should a couple of white boys have gone after the black boy for calling the white boy &#039;boertjie&#039; as well? 

Where I work we often joke about our races and cultures. Our team consists of 1 afrikaner white male, 1 Portuguese male, 1 gay english male and 1 straight english male and myself (coloured female). I say things like &quot;Is it cause I am coloured?&quot; and &quot;Eish your Porra&#039;s&quot; and they make jokes back along the same lines,  joking about coloured people and their cars, poking fun at each other&#039;s accents, etc. 
We do not have a black person in our team, but I wonder - would we be able to poke fun at each other in the same way if there was a black person among us? Would he/she feel that we are being racist or join us in our jokes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this story on News24: <a href="http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/7a20ae20ee814b7d87b43c2ed2126f06/22-09-2009-09-03/Boy_stabbed_over_racist_hello" rel="nofollow">http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/7a20ae20ee814b7d87b43c2ed2126f06/22-09-2009-09-03/Boy_stabbed_over_racist_hello</a> and was immediately reminded of this post of Charlie&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I wonder how anyone could think that this sort of reaction to a (perceived) racist slight is acceptable? They were not even involved in the (perceived) racist event, but overheard it and decided that it was ok to stick their noses (amongst other things) in.<br />
Should a couple of white boys have gone after the black boy for calling the white boy &#8216;boertjie&#8217; as well? </p>
<p>Where I work we often joke about our races and cultures. Our team consists of 1 afrikaner white male, 1 Portuguese male, 1 gay english male and 1 straight english male and myself (coloured female). I say things like &#8220;Is it cause I am coloured?&#8221; and &#8220;Eish your Porra&#8217;s&#8221; and they make jokes back along the same lines,  joking about coloured people and their cars, poking fun at each other&#8217;s accents, etc.<br />
We do not have a black person in our team, but I wonder &#8211; would we be able to poke fun at each other in the same way if there was a black person among us? Would he/she feel that we are being racist or join us in our jokes?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes please, it&#039;d be interesting to read I think :)

Quite a nice piece either way Charlie - you have a great way of writing. I don&#039;t believe you should feel anger on for yourself (perhaps for others) on a topic that didn&#039;t truly influence you. It&#039;s a great step towards letting things go and ending a horrible cycle.
.-= Rob´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://antithesis.blognation.co.za/2009/08/29/enough-with-the-camera-shake/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Enough with the camera shake.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes please, it&#8217;d be interesting to read I think <img src='http://www.oldtakkiesindaba.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Quite a nice piece either way Charlie &#8211; you have a great way of writing. I don&#8217;t believe you should feel anger on for yourself (perhaps for others) on a topic that didn&#8217;t truly influence you. It&#8217;s a great step towards letting things go and ending a horrible cycle.<br />
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		<title>By: colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-888&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-888&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mos_Native&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-886&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Carla Nunes  &lt;/a&gt; 
Firstly, the friend is female.
Secondly, no Im not psychic but I did not need to be in this case. All I needed was a pair of eyes and reading ability because she made mention of the derogatory use of the word boy in her comment.
Maybe you should read the post in question before asking silly questions?
 Mos_Native´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://letterdash.com/Mos_Native/Almost-white-Never-black&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Almost white Never black…&lt;/a&gt; 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

can you point us to the blog where Charlie was called boy please?</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-888" rel="nofollow">Mos_Native</a> :</strong><br />
<a href="#comment-886" rel="nofollow">@Carla Nunes  </a><br />
Firstly, the friend is female.<br />
Secondly, no Im not psychic but I did not need to be in this case. All I needed was a pair of eyes and reading ability because she made mention of the derogatory use of the word boy in her comment.<br />
Maybe you should read the post in question before asking silly questions?<br />
 Mos_Native´s last blog ..<a href="http://letterdash.com/Mos_Native/Almost-white-Never-black" rel="nofollow">Almost white Never black…</a>
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<p>can you point us to the blog where Charlie was called boy please?</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Nunes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla Nunes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or rather What...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or rather What&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Nunes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla Nunes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does her being female have to do with anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does her being female have to do with anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Mos_Native</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mos_Native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-887&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Good Charlie  &lt;/a&gt; 

Fair enough.

BTW, I do respect your perspective on this issue, as I did then. My debate with you on this is not to turn you over to my take on the issue.
While there are some intolerant older people (and younger), your youth has no bearing on my perception of your viewpoint.
When I challenge your ideas, it is not to convert you, it is to allow you to interrogate the validity of your ideas - well that is the intention...
.-= Mos_Native´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://letterdash.com/Mos_Native/Almost-white-Never-black&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Almost white Never black...&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-887" rel="nofollow">@Good Charlie  </a> </p>
<p>Fair enough.</p>
<p>BTW, I do respect your perspective on this issue, as I did then. My debate with you on this is not to turn you over to my take on the issue.<br />
While there are some intolerant older people (and younger), your youth has no bearing on my perception of your viewpoint.<br />
When I challenge your ideas, it is not to convert you, it is to allow you to interrogate the validity of your ideas &#8211; well that is the intention&#8230;<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mos_Native´s last blog ..<a href="http://letterdash.com/Mos_Native/Almost-white-Never-black" rel="nofollow">Almost white Never black&#8230;</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.oldtakkiesindaba.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mos_Native</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mos_Native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-886&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Carla Nunes  &lt;/a&gt; 

Firstly, the friend is female.
Secondly, no Im not psychic but I did not need to be in this case. All I needed was a pair of eyes and reading ability because she made mention of the derogatory use of the word boy in her comment.

Maybe you should read the post in question before asking silly questions?
.-= Mos_Native´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://letterdash.com/Mos_Native/Almost-white-Never-black&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Almost white Never black...&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-886" rel="nofollow">@Carla Nunes  </a> </p>
<p>Firstly, the friend is female.<br />
Secondly, no Im not psychic but I did not need to be in this case. All I needed was a pair of eyes and reading ability because she made mention of the derogatory use of the word boy in her comment.</p>
<p>Maybe you should read the post in question before asking silly questions?<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mos_Native´s last blog ..<a href="http://letterdash.com/Mos_Native/Almost-white-Never-black" rel="nofollow">Almost white Never black&#8230;</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.oldtakkiesindaba.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Good Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-883&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Mos_Native &lt;/a&gt; 

Look, not everything in my article refers directly to you. Our situation happened to be a handy example. So really, perhaps I should clarify by saying that not everything that I said applies to you.

Since this is really a discussion of viewpoints and experiences, there can be no wrong or right. personally, i feel that no wrong was done, even after several people told me that it&#039;s &quot;wrong&quot; for an older white woman to refer to me as &#039;boy&#039;. I remain unconvinced that it was a racial jab... in fact, i found it rather ironic. she did she, i believe.

perhaps we won&#039;t ever see eye-to-eye on this particular point. i just hope that my viewpoint will be granted equal credence to everyone else&#039;s.
.-= Good Charlie´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://ministryofinternalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/dear-comrade-lindiwe-sisulu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dear Comrade Lindiwe Sisulu…&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-883" rel="nofollow">@Mos_Native </a> </p>
<p>Look, not everything in my article refers directly to you. Our situation happened to be a handy example. So really, perhaps I should clarify by saying that not everything that I said applies to you.</p>
<p>Since this is really a discussion of viewpoints and experiences, there can be no wrong or right. personally, i feel that no wrong was done, even after several people told me that it&#8217;s &#8220;wrong&#8221; for an older white woman to refer to me as &#8216;boy&#8217;. I remain unconvinced that it was a racial jab&#8230; in fact, i found it rather ironic. she did she, i believe.</p>
<p>perhaps we won&#8217;t ever see eye-to-eye on this particular point. i just hope that my viewpoint will be granted equal credence to everyone else&#8217;s.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Good Charlie´s last blog ..<a href="http://ministryofinternalunderstanding.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/dear-comrade-lindiwe-sisulu/" rel="nofollow">Dear Comrade Lindiwe Sisulu…</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.oldtakkiesindaba.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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